Conversation No. 463-1

Date:  March 8, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 12:10 pm and 1:13 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Frederic V. Malek, Daniel T. Kingsley, Bill Horton, and H. R. (ABob@) Haldeman
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]

Personnel
-Public information officers
-Departments
-Compared with White House
-Need for improvements
-Need for qualified personnel

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-Kenneth E. BeLieu
-Congressional relations
-Undersecretary of the Army
-Herbert G. Klein=s office
-Paul W. Costello
-John E. Nidecker
-Possible position
-Congressional liaison office
-William E. Timmons
-Communications office
-Changes
-Klein

-Ronald L. Ziegler=s office
-Changes
-J. Bruce Whelihan
-Needs
-Changes
-Recommendations from Cabinet officers
-Types
-Walter J. Hickel
-Employees at the Department of Interior
-Departments
-White House staff
-President=s position
-Importance of public relations
-Ziegler=s office
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Office
-Egil (ABud@) Krogh, Jr.
-Needs
-Correspondence section
-Compared with State Department
-Noble Melencamp
-Price
-Needs
-President=s position
-Communications offices
-Ziegler
-Needs
-Research
-Price=s office
-Mail
-Richard K. Cook
-Needs
-Congressional liaison office
-Importance
-Needs
-Role
-Importance
-Clark MacGregor
-Timmons
-Other staff
-Eugene S. Cowen
-Cook
-Thomas C. Korologos

-Cook
-Cowen
-Independent agencies
-Malek=s responsibilities
-White House coordination
-Needs
-Civil Aeronautics Board [CAB]
-Secor D. Browne
-Needs
-President=s position
-Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC]
-William J. Casey
-Types
-Young men
-Chief executive officers
-Retired military officers
-Value
-Charles D. (ATex@) Thornton
-Possible Atomic Energy Commission [AEC] chairman
-Glenn T. Seaborg
-Possible conflict of interest
-John B. Connally
-White House staff response to appointment
-Reasons for appointment
-Types needed
-Malek=s philosophy
-President=s view
-Arthur G. (AArt@) Linkletter
-Possible ambassadorship
-Australia
-Types needed
-Youth
-Harvard School of Business
-Stanford
-Qualities
-President=s view
-Donald W. Riegle, Jr. and Paul N. (APete@) McCloskey, Jr.
-Qualities
-Difference from corporate world
-Qualities
-Salaries
-Malek=s efforts
-Cabinet officers

-Qualities
-Elliott L. Richardson
-Future
-Connally
-John N. Mitchell
-Melvin R. Laird
-William P. Rogers
-John A. Volpe and George W. Romney
-Winton M. (ARed@) Blount
-Future
-Performance
-Clifford M. Hardin
-Cabinet Undersecretaries

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-Defense Department
-David Packard
-Transportation Department
-Department of State
-John N. Irwin, II
-Rogers
-Department of Commerce
-Rocco C. Siciliano
-James T. Lynn
-Dr. James R. Schlesinger
-Laird
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-Changes
-Deputy Assistant Secretaries
-Salaries
-Importance

-Changes
-Cabinet and subcabinet officers
-Removal list
-Rate
-Hollis M. Dole
-Possible position
-Alain C. Enthoven
-George [Surname unknown]
-Conversation with Thornton
-Patrick J. Buchanan
-Resignation
-Malek=s work
-John W. Barnum
-New York law firm salary
-A new Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Boise-Cascade salary
-A new Assistant Secretary for Administration at Interior Department
-Law firm salary
-A new Assistant Secretary for Administration at HEW
-Salary as vice president of Hughes Tool
-A new Assistant Secretary for Management at Environmental Protection Agency [EPA]?
-Salary at Evans Broadcasting
-Political appointments
-Possible problems of patronage
-Salaries
-General Schedule [GS] grades
-Presidential appointments
-Super grades
-Office of Intergovernmental Relations
-Nils A. Boe
-Future
-Mitchell
-Problems
-Vice President=s office
-Office of Intergovernmental Relations
-Boe
-Edward L. Morgan
-Problems
-Women appointees in government
-Administration=s record
-Qualifications

-Importance
-Compared with black appointees
-Concerns of women voters
-Value
-Patricia R. Hitt
-President=s view
-Presidential commissions and boards
-Jayne B. Spain
-Litton Industries, Stuart Robbins division
-Support for the President
-Vice Chairman of Civil Service Commission
-Black appointees
-Importance
-Women appointees
-Requirements
-Political value
-Helen D. Bentley of Maritime Commission
-Performance

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-Importance
-Requirements
-Compared with black appointees
-Compared with other ethnic appointees
-Mexican-Americans
-Italian-Americans
-Black appointees
-A Military Appeals Court judgeship
-The President=s instructions
-Women appointees
-Spain

-Cabinet officers
-Oveta Culp Hobby
-Spain
-Black appointees
-Possible Civil Service Commission job
-[Name unintelligible]
-Possible Defense Department job
-Possible Civil Service Commission job
-Possible black appointee
-Robert E. Hampton
-Possible black or women appointee
-Black appointees
-Military Appeals Court judgeship
-Timing of announcement
-President=s instructions to John D. Ehrlichman
-Homer Ferguson=s recommendation
-Interior Department
-Schlesinger=s efforts
-Needs
-Transportation Department
-Changes
-Andy Salom [?]
-Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
-Agriculture Department
-State Department
-Appointments
-Rogers
-Agencies
-General Counsels at SEC, Federal Trade Commission, Federal Communications Commission, Federal Elections Commission, Interstate Commerce Commission
-Importance
-Richard G. Kleindienst and Mitchell
-Justice Department, judgeships, US Attorneys
-Vice President=s office
-Office of Intergovernmental Relations
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Problems
-Government compared with private industry
-Republican and Democrat administration records
-Appointees
-Civil Service system
-Needs

-Problems
-Recruitment
-Bureaucracy
-Malek=s efforts
-Training
-Job changes
-Loyalty
-White House
-Program plans
-Training
-Recognition programs
-Defense Department appointees
-President=s acquaintance
-Possible meetings with President
-Loyalty
-Benefits
-Political leanings
-President=s position
-Harry S. Flemming
-Importance
-Loyalty
-President=s position
-Conservative Democrats
-David Rockefeller
-Connally
-President=s instructions to Malek
-Importance
-Connally
-John G. Tower
-Importance
-Background
-Enthoven
-Scientific area
-Dr. Lee A. DuBridge
-Dr. Edward E. David
-DuBridge
-Dr. Murray Gell-Mann
-Antiballistic missiles [ABMs]
-Multiple Independently-Targeted Reentry Vehicles [MIRVs]
-Malek, Kingsley, and Horton=s work
-President=s appreciation
-Dwight D. Eisenhower administration
-Employees

-Ann Whitman
-James C. Hagerty
-General Andrew J. Goodpaster
-Robert Cutler
-Sherman Adams

Presidential gifts
-Cufflinks
-Golf balls
-Gifts for wives

Malek, Kingsley, and Horton=s work

Malek, Kingsley, and Horton left at 1:08 pm

Malek, Kingsley, and Horton
-Work efforts
-Jeb Stuart Magruder
-Work
-Flemming

Manolo Sanchez and General Walter R. Tkach entered at 1:09 pm

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Sanchez left at an unknown time before 1:13 pm

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The President, et al. left at an unknown time before 1:13 pm

Conversation No. 463-2

Date:  March 8, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:38 pm and 5:41 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Alexander P. Butterfield

President=s schedule
-Admiral Thomas H. Moorer
-Henry A. Kissinger

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 5:41 pm

Conversation No. 463-3

Date:  March 8, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:38 pm and 5:41 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull

President=s schedule
-Donald H. Rumsfeld

Bull left at an unknown time before 5:41 pm

Conversation No. 463-4

Date:  March 8, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:38 pm and 5:41 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President talked with the White House operator

Call to Alexander P. Butterfield

Conversation No. 463-5

Date:  March 8, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:38 pm and 5:41 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Alexander P. Butterfield

A delivery
-Two speeches
-William L. Safire

Butterfield left at 5:41 pm

Conversation No. 463-6

Date:  March 8, 1971
Time:  5:41 pm - 6:38 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Donald H. Rumsfeld

President=s schedule
-Meeting with British ambassador [George R. S. Baring [Earl of Cromer]]

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An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 5:41 pm

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 6:38 pm

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Rumsfeld=s work
-Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
-Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
-Counselor to the President
-HUD
-George W. Romney
-Counselor to the President
-Position
-Responsibilities
-Tenure
-Robert H. Finch
-Comparison
-Future
-Comparison
-Future
-Romney
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Commerce Department
-President=s view
-Responsibilities
-Rumsfeld=s memo to the President
-Vietnam
-Postwar period
-Counselor to the President
-Travel
-Europe
-Asia
-Previous trips to Japan, Laos
-Africa
-Middle East
-Communist countries
-Latin America
-Southeast Asia
-Vietnam policy
-Previous studies
-David M. Kennedy=s trip
-Ellsworth F. Bunker
-Economic issues
-Travel
-Purpose
-Europe
-Soviet Union

-The President
-People=s Republic of China [PRC]
-Vietnam

Vietnam
-Studies on Postwar Period
-Samuel David Berger
-Kennedy=s trip
-Forthcoming recommendations to the President
-Possible position for Rumsfeld
-Cambodia and Laos situations
-Future
-Forthcoming US troop withdrawal announcements
-General Nguyen Van Thieu
-Presidential election

Rumsfeld=s work
-Vietnam
-Soviet Union

Foreign affairs
-President=s view
-Vietnam
-Future
-Japan
-PRC
-Soviet Union
-Europe
-Latin America
-Africa
-Middle East
-Europe
-Soviet Union
-Eastern Europe
-Yugoslavia and Romania
-Hungary
-Poland
-Communist countries
-President=s previous travels
-Spain
-Yugoslavia
-Socialism compared to capitalism

Rumsfeld=s future
-President=s advice
-Previous conversation in Florida
-[Forename unknown] Reger [?]
-Possible Cabinet position
-President=s position
-State and Defense Department positions
-Attorney General
-HEW, HUD, Transportation, Interior, Agriculture, Commerce Departments
-Trade
-Peter G. Peterson
-International Economic Council
-Rumsfeld=s experience
-Comparison with Arthur F. Burns

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 5:41 pm

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Sanchez left at an unknown time before 6:38 pm

Rumsfeld=s future
-President=s advice
-Vietnam project
-Domestic projects
-President=s interest

US foreign policy
-President=s view of the world
-President=s previous meeting with Lord Cromer
-AHawks@ compared with Adoves@
-Relation to domestic conditions

-Importance of Presidency
-Leadership
-Solutions to problems
-PRC
-Japan
-Europe
-Soviet Union
-Latin America
-Africa
-US role in the world
-Vietnam War
-Reason for US involvement

Rumsfeld=s future

President=s work in Congress
-House Education and Labor Committee
-John Phillips
-Agriculture Committee
-Citrus industry
-President=s experience
-Education and Labor Committee
-Taft-Hartley Act
-House Un-American Activities Committee
-President=s service
-Travels in Europe
-Joseph W. Martin, Jr.
-House Import portion of Marshall Plan
-Effect on President=s district
-Polish-Americans
-Alger Hiss case
-President=s experience in foreign affairs
-Use in Senate campaign in 1950
-Soviet Union
-Importance compared with domestic affairs

President=s domestic policy
-The President=s view
-John D. Ehrlichman
-Welfare reform
-Environment
-Health
-Revenue sharing

-Importance
-Public=s view
-Taxes
-Rural America Program
-Space program
-Appeal

Rumsfeld=s work
-Domestic assignment
-Undersecretary of State for Development
-Possible position
-William P. Rogers
-John N. Irwin, II
-Requirements
-Congress
-Government Operations Subcommittee
-Military Operations Subcommittee
-Joint Economic Committee
-Japan
-Possible foreign affairs position
-Experience for Senate campaign
-Possible Defense Department position
-Service Secretaries
-Possible position with National Security Council [NSC]
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Undersecretary of State position
-President=s actions
-H. R. (ABob@) Haldeman
-Irwin
-Rogers
-Frank C. Carlucci
-Work at OEO
-Possible future position
-Efforts
-Speeches
-Department of State
-Special Trade Representative
-Possible position
-Work with Peterson
-Rumsfeld=s assessment
-Political loyalty
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-President

-Work
-Haldeman
-Ehrlichman
-George P. Shultz
-Possible position
-Carl J. Gilbert

Age
-Optimum for government service
-President=s college classmates
-President=s law school classmates
-President
-Marshal Josip Broz Tito=s comment to Winston S. Churchill
-Need to be useful
-Appearance
-Enthusiasm

Rumsfeld=s work
-Possible appointment as Special Trade Representative
-Counselor to President
-Undersecretary position
-Irwin
-Ambassador-at-Large
-Kennedy
-Efforts
-Congress
-Compared with John B. Connally

Rumsfeld=s work
-Possible appointment as Special Trade Representative
-Possible travel
-Peterson
-Kissinger
-Rogers
-Maurice H. Stans
-Requirements
-Peterson
-Fields of expertise
-Possible future jobs in State or Defense Departments
-David Packard
-Service Secretaries
-Possible ambassadorship
-Japan

-Experience
-Current ambassador [Armin H. Meyer]

President=s appointees
-Requirements
-Frederick V. Malek
-Work
-OEO

Rumsfeld=s work
-Possible ambassadorship
-Japan
-Brazil
-Importance
-Carlucci
-Future
-Population
-Europe

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-Japan
-Language barrier
-Current situation
-Possible appointment as Special Trade Representative
-Travel
-Work
-Benefits
-Possible ambassadorship to Japan

-Disadvantages
-Appeal
-Importance

Rumsfeld=s schedule
-Blair House event for British ambassador

Rumsfeld=s work
-Possible appointment as Special Trade Representative
-President=s previous advice
-White House work
-Compared with Finch
-Responsibilities
-Possible appointment as Special Trade Representative
-Requirements
-Joint Economic Committee work
-Peterson=s connection

Personnel
-Peterson
-Work
-Romney
-John A. Volpe
-Connally
-Possible future

Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Gridiron Dinner
-A note from President
-President=s attendance record
-Dwight D. Eisenhower=s attendance record
-President=s response
-Agnew=s response
-A dinner
-Participants
-Compared with President
-Youth
-Vietnam War
-Support for Vice President
-Background
-Compared with President
-Press conferences
-Youth

Need for communication
-Administration efforts
-Blacks
-Youth
-A Chicago area commuter
-Agnew
-A television show
-President=s ability
-Agnew=s ability

Agnew
-Maryland experience
-Compared with Rumsfeld=s experience
-Staff
-Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Finch, Rumsfeld
-Suburban voters= response
-Evanston, Illinois
-Men, women
-Style compared with President=s style
-Economy
-Vietnam War 
-Illinois

Connally
-Lyndon B. Johnson

Agnew
-Popular support
-Rumsfeld=s view

President
-Popular support
-Compared with Connally
-Johnson
-Background
-Accent
-Expectations of American people
-Communication with youth

Agnew
-Needs
-Vice Presidency
-Public relations

-Press
-Television
-Business
-Public

President=s schedule
-Meeting with Louis Rukeyser
-An article in New York Times
-Previous meeting with Cyrus L. (ACy@) Sulzberger

Economy
-Current status
-Future
-President=s talk with Charles G. (ABebe@) Rebozo
-Stock market
-President=s role
-Public perception
-Public response
-Need for public relations effort

Rumsfeld
-Possible appointment as Special Trade Representative

The President and Rumsfeld left at 6:38 pm