Conversation No. 585-1

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  3:03 pm - 3:26 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Dudley Swim, Peter M. Flanigan, Jon M. Huntsman, and the White House photographer.

Salutations
-Unintelligible name

Picture taking
-Huntsman

National Airlines
-Merger plans

The White House photographer left at an unknown time after 3:03 pm.

-Northwest Airlines
	-Harold B. Scott
-The President's travel experiences
-Japan
-Minnesota
-Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo

	Supreme Court nominees
-Swim’s view

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:03 pm.

Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 3:26 pm.

Reference to unnamed individual

Supreme Court nominees
-Political affiliation

-Clement F. Haynsworth, Jr.
	-Senate hearings
-John N. Mitchell
-Leon Jaworski
-American Bar Association [ABA]

	Education
-Courts
	-Need for legislation
-California
-Jurisdiction
-Supreme Court
-Warren E. Burger, Harry A. Blackmun, Potter Stewart
-Views
-William O. Douglas
-Education system
	-Interference from the courts
-Socialization
-Swim’s view
-Lawyers
-Importance
-Private enterprise role
	-Contracting
-Capacities
-Expenses
-Swim's membership on a California state board
-Financing
-California
-Bank credit
-Student demands on faculty

Education
-Growth industry

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:03 pm.

[Unintelligible]

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:26 pm.

-Swim's schedule
-Use of the campus
-Private schools
-Possible impact their closure would have
-Uniqueness
-Jewish, Catholic, atheist, Christian Scientist, Mormon
-Educators
-Stanford University
-Nobel prizes
-Sweden
-Possibility of American prizes
-Art and music
-Modern art
-1890's
-Victor Herbert
-Leonard Bernstein
-Rebirth of spirit
	-Postage stamps
-New York, San Francisco
-Private enterprise

Presentation of gifts
-Cufflinks

Swim, Flanigan, and Huntsman left at 3:26 pm.

Conversation No. 585-2

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 3:26 pm and 3:27 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President talked with an unknown person.

Conversation No. 585-3

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 3:26 pm and 3:27 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull [?].

The President's schedule

Bull [?] left at an unknown time before 3:27 pm.

Conversation No. 585-4

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  3:27 pm - 3:49 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Joseph L. Vicites, Cooper T. Holt, Charles W. Colson and the White House photographer.

Salutations

Photographs

Veterans Foreign Wars [VFW]
-Organizational meetings
-John B. Connally
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
	-VFW position

The photographer left at an unknown time before 3:49 pm.

-The President's position
-George S. McGovern
-Soviets, Chinese

-Resolutions
-VFW's 1971 national convention
-Southeast Asia
-Support for the President
-POWs
	-The President’s policies
-POW dinner
-POWs
-Thomas E. (“Doc”) Morgan
		-Upcoming VFW event
			-Possible attendance by the President
-Membership
-Numbers
	-Importance
-State commander, North Carolina
-Vietnam Veterans against the War
	-VFW response
-Politicians
-Republicans, Democrats
-National Convention
-Vietnam veterans
-World War II
	-Average age
	-California
-Possible foreign travel
-Assistance programs
-Vietnam veterans
-Drug addiction
-Support for the President
-Economic program
-US policy in Vietnam
	-Edward M. Kennedy
	-McGovern
	-Michael J. Mansfield
	-The President’s view
-Vicites
-Political affiliation

Forthcoming Presidential campaign in 1972
-George Meany
	-Support for President’s policies
-Edmund S. Muskie, McGovern, Edward M. Kennedy
-Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson

People's Republic of China [PRC]
-Announcement, October 5, 1971
-Henry A. Kissinger's schedule
-VFW’s position
-US relationship with the PRC
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Japan
-Southeast Asia
-Importance of contacts with communist countries

The President's conversation With Andrei A. Gromyko

Dwight D. Eisenhower silver dollars

Support for the President
-Raymond A. Gallagher
-[Forename unknown] Lombardo
-Morgan
-J. William Fulbright
-Uniontown
-George C. Marshall
-Virginia Military Institute [VMI]
-Daniel (“Chappie”) James, Jr.

Gift presentation
-Presidential cufflinks
-Presidential paperweight
-Eisenhower dollar

Veterans Administration [VA] hospitals
	-VFW’s view
-Donald E. Johnson

	Presidential golf balls

Vicites, Holt, and Colson left at 3:49 pm.

Conversation No. 585-5

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 3:49 pm and 3:55 pm
Location:  Oval Office

Alexander P. Butterfield met with Stephen B. Bull.

The President's schedule
-Prime Minister Tun Abdul Razak

[Unintelligible]

The President entered at 3:52 pm.

Gifts
-Proof silver dollar coins
-Recipients
-Congress
	-Camp David jackets
-Money clips

The President's schedule
-Presidential gifts
-Charles W. Colson

Butterfield, et al. left at 3:55 pm.

Conversation No. 585-6

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 3:55 pm and 3:59 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President talked with White House operator.

[See Conversation No. 10-41]

Conversation No. 585-7

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  3:59 pm - 4:02 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President talked with John N. Mitchell.

[Conversation No. 585-7A]

[See Conversation No. 10-42]

Charles W. Colson entered at 3:59 pm.

[End of telephone conversation]

Conversation with Joseph L. Vicites and Cooper T. Holt
-Political importance
-George Meany
-Vicites
- Floyd [?] Henderson

Vietnam
-Media
-South Vietnam election

People's Republic of China [PRC]
-Trip
-Louis P. Harris

Vicites
-Support for the President
-George S. McGovern, Edmund S. Muskie, Edward M. Kennedy
-Possible statement
	-Prisoners of War [POWs]

Veterans of Foreign Wars [VFW]
-Herbert R. (“Chief”) Rainwater
-Responsibilities
-Raymond A. Gallagher

Barry M. Goldwater
-Press
-Support for the President

Colson's schedule
-Phase II effort
	-George P. Shultz

The President's speech October 7, 1971
-Boards
-Price increases
-Windfall profits
-World competitive situation
-Administration position
-John B. Connally

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:59 pm.

Schedule

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:00 pm.

		-Connally

The President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman at an unknown time between 3:59 pm and 4:00 pm.

[Conversation No. 585-7B]

Request for meeting

[End of telephone conversation]

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 4:00 pm.

Maurice H. Stans

Proposed Connally press conference, October 8, 1971
-Herbert Stein, Paul W. McCracken

Henry A. Kissinger entered at 4:12 pm.

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	PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA [PRC]

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Robert C. Byrd amendment
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Hugh Scott
-Actions
-William P. Rogers

	PRC
		-Bush
-American policies
	-UN
	-Announcement in PRC

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	PRC

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		-Chinese women
			-Japanese

Announcement of Kissinger's PRC trip
-South Vietnamese elections
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-North Vietnam actions
-Cambodian border
-New York Times and Washington Post
		-Bush

PRC
-Chou En-lai
-Meeting with he President
-W. Averill Harriman
-Muskie
-Harriman
	-Soviets
-Hanoi
-Peking press
-Nickoloi V. Podgorny’s visit

	Vietnam
		-POW wives
		-President’s peace efforts
			-Possible airstrikes
-Goldwater
-Peking, Moscow
-Commentary in press
-News magazines
-Today Show
-Marvin Kalb

Kissinger left at 4:23 pm.

Economy
-Connally
-Press conference

Rogers

Connally
-Schedule

The President talked with White House operator at an unknown time between 4:02 pm and 4:26 pm.

[Conversation No. 585-7C]

[See Conversation No. 10-43]

[End of telephone conversation]

The President talked with John B. Connally between 4:26 pm and 4:30 pm.

[Conversation No. 585-7D]

[See Conversation No. 10-44]

[End of telephone conversation]

-Evening news

The President's schedule
-Forthcoming meeting with Tun Abdul Razak

Haldeman, et al. left at 4:33 pm

Conversation No. 585-8

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  4:33 pm - 5:12 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Prime Minister Tun Abdul Razak, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., press photographers and the White House photographer.

Greetings

Photographs

Razak's trip

The White House photographers and members of the press left at an unknown time before 5:12 pm.

	Malaysia
		-The President’s view
			-Kuela Lumper
			-Railroad station

Importance of Malaysia
	-Oil
	-US policy

Malaysia's foreign policy
-Vietnam War

	-Neutrality
	-Malaysia’s hope for peace
-Cambodia
-People's Republic of China [PRC]
-Prospect for peace

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 4:33 pm.

	Refreshments

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 5:12 pm.

Nixon Doctrine
-US policy
-Vietnam War
	-Cambodia
	-South Vietnam
		-Negotiations
		-US withdrawal

Announcement of Henry A. Kissinger's trip to PRC
	-Malaysia’s statement of support
-People of Southeast Asia
-Malaysia view
-PRC
-Vietnam

American policy in Southeast Asia
	-PRC
	-Korea
	-Vietnam

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	PRC, MALAYSIA

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	Association of Southeast Asian Nations
	-Vietnam
		-Cambodia
			-Need for support
				-Malaysia

The President's interest in Malaysia
-Unknown person
-Family
-Former Secretary of Defense of Malaysia

US activities in Southeast Asia
-Vietnam
-Cambodia
	-Survival
	-Assistance
	-Malaysia concerns

Vietnam
-Unintelligible name
-Health
	-Dwight D. Eisenhower

Burma's economic situation
	-Army
	-Trade
		-Compared with Malaysia and Singapore

Vietnam
	-Thieu
		-Razak’s view

American policy toward Southeast Asia
	-Burma
	-Need for democracy
		-Indonesia
		-Sukerno
			-The President’s view
		-T.J.N. Suharto
-Maintenance of American presence
-US relations with PRC
	-Differences
-Kissinger’s trip
-Opening of dialogue
-Vietnam
-Taiwan
-US position in United Nations [UN]
-Importance of visit
-Reopening of communications
-Compared with US-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] relations
-The President's 1959 trip to Moscow
-Nikita S. Khrushchev's trip to the US
-Cuba
-Middle East
-Europe
-Arms control
-Trade
	-Berlin Agreement
	-Arms control
-The President's explanation of US policy
	-USSR
-Korean war
-Vietnam War
-PRC as nuclear power
-USSR
-Communists
	-The President’s view
		-Effect on the President’s policy
		-US press comments
-Andrei A. Gromyko’s previous meeting with the President
-The President’s view

Razak's advice to his people
-Importance of dialogue

Overview of Asia
		-Japan, PRC, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Burma
		-India and Pakistan
		-Southeast Asia
			-Population
			-PRC
			-Population
-Compared to Western Europe

US policy in Southeast Asia
-President’s assurances
-Economic programs
-Vietnam
-Japan
-Indochina

The President's concern about Asia
-The President's residence in California
-Europe
-Future importance
-The Far East

Dr. Ismail Bin Dato Abdul Rahman

Gift presentation
	-Golf ball
	-Presidential seal
-Spiro T. Agnew

The President, Razak and Haig left at 5:12 pm.

Conversation No. 585-9

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:12 pm and 5:15 pm
Location:  Oval Office

Unknown people met.

[Unintelligible]

Unknown people left at an unknown time before 5:15 pm.

Conversation No. 585-10

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:15 pm and 5:19 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

Press

Haig left at an unknown time before 5:19 pm.

Conversation No. 585-11

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:15 pm and 5:19 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President talked with an unknown person.

Conversation No. 585-12

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:15 pm and 5:18 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President talked with White House operator.

[See Conversation No. 10-45]

Conversation No. 585-13

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:15 pm and 5:19 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with Alexander P. Butterfield.

The President's schedule

Butterfield left before 5:19 pm.

Conversation No. 585-14

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  5:18 pm - 5:19 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President talked with John B. Connally.

[See Conversation No. 10-46]

Conversation No. 585-15

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  5:19 pm - 5:39 pm
Location:  Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

	Possible scheduling of the President's speech
	-Analysis of network news
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS], National Broadcasting Company [NBC]
-American Broadcasting Company [ABC]

John B. Connally talked with the President between 5:20 pm and 5:21 pm.

[Conversation No. 585-15A]

[See Conversation No. 10-47]

[End of telephone conversation]

		Timing
	-Prime time

	-Impact on local stations
	-Mid-west
	-Far-west
-Cost of Living Council [COLC]

John D. Ehrlichman
-The President's schedule
-Richard H. Poff

The President talked with White House operator at an unknown time between 5:21 pm and 5:29 pm.

[Conversation No. 585-15B]

[See Conversation No. 10-48]

[End of telephone conversation]

William L. Safire
-John F. Osborne
-Poff
-American Bar Association [ABA] rating
-Birch Bayh

The President's schedule
-Robert J. Dole
-John N. Mitchell

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 5:27 pm.

[Unintelligible]

Butterfield left at 5:28 pm.

First amendment
-The President's position

The President talked with Richard H. Poff between 5:29 pm and 5:33 pm.

[Conversation No. 585-15C; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation]

[See Conversation No. 10-49]

[End of telephone conversation]

William E. Brock III
-Nomination of Poff
-J. William Fulbright

William P. Rogers
-Forthcoming UN debate on PRC and Taiwan
	-Rogers position
-Africa

The President's schedule
	-The Presidential helicopter
		-Congressman
		-Air Force One

The President and Haldeman left at 5:39 pm.

Conversation No. 585-16

Date:  October 5, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:39 pm and 11:59 pm
Location:  Oval Office

Unknown people met.

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GENERAL CONVERSATION

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Unknown people left at an unknown time before 11:59 pm.