Conversation No. 55-1

Date:  April 20, 1971
Time:  5:17 pm - 6:21 pm
Location:  Cabinet Room

The President met with Barry M. Goldwater, Henry L. Bellmon, John G. Tower, Howard H. Baker, Jr., Robert J. Dole, Edward J. Gurney, J. Caleb Boggs, Carl T. Curtis, Clifford P. Hansen, Jack R. Miller, Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, Kenneth R. BeLieu, Eugene S. Cowen, Harry S. Dent, and Henry A. Kissinger

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

	Gordon L. Allott

	Greetings

	Goldwater

	Tower

	Abraham A. Ribicoff

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

	President=s meeting with John L. McClellan
		-Republicans
		-John N. Mitchell
		-Republicans
			-Defections
		-National defense
		-Voting in Congress

	National security issues
		-Support for President
		-End-the-war resolutions
		-Presidential powers
		-Defense budget
		-War-making powers
			-Jacob K. Javits bill
			-John Sherman Cooper and Frank F. Church amendment
			-State Department
			-Defense Department
			-Legislation
			-Senate bill
			-J. William Fulbright
			-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
		-Preparedness
		-David Packard=s speech in San Francisco
		-Popular reaction
		-William Proxmire and Javits
		-Vietnam War

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[Duration:  7m 55s  ]

	JAPAN

	GERMANY

	AFRICA

	SOVIET UNION

Allott entered at an unknown time after 5:17 pm

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			-Loss of primacy
		-Vietnam
			-Political problem of continued war
			-Popular opinion
			-Need for ending war
			-Public opinion mail
			-Erosion of support
			-Support for President
			-Reaction
			-Mail
			-Erosion of support
			-Withdrawal
			-United States= preeminence
			-Withdrawal from Vietnam
				-Polls
				-Prisoners of War [POWs]
				-Opinion Research Corporation [ORC] poll
				-Gallup poll
				-Mail
				-Popular opinion
				-Kent State proposals
				-Congressional resolution
				-Iowa State University
					-Reaction
				-POWs issue
				-Vietnamization policy
				-Loss of primacy
				-American people
				-Preeminence
					-Kissinger
				-Sufficiency
					-Melvin R. Laird
			-Declassification of information
				-Goldwater
				-John F. Kennedy=s announcement on atmospheric testing
				-Sufficiency issue
			-Sufficiency		

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	Soviet Union

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			-Laird
			-Proxmire
			-Briefing
		-People=s Republic of China [PRC]
			-Trade restrictions
		-United States= foreign policy
		-Domestic issues
		-Executive reorganization
		-President=s policies

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	People’s Republic of China

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	Aviation
		-James H. Doolittle
		-Barry M. Goldwater, Jr

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President, et al. left at 6:21 pm

Conversation No. 55-2

Date:  April 22, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 5:11 pm and 6:41 pm
Location:  Cabinet Room

The President met with Daniel H. Kuykendall, Samuel L. Devine, Elford A. Cederberg, Robert H. Michel, Glenn R. Davis, Peter H. B. Frelinghuysen, Barber B. Conable, Jr., John H. Kyl, John E. Hunt, John H. Buchanan, Jr., William A. Steiger, Burt L. Talcott, Charles E. Wiggins, Louis C. Wyman, John T. Myers, Benjamin B. Blackburn, III, Hamilton Fish, Jr., William L. Dickinson, Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, John D. Ehrlichman, and Richard K. Cook
[Recording begins while the meeting is in progress]

	Election issues
		-Domestic
			-Budget
			-Economy
			-Deficit
				-Dwight D. Eisenhower
			-Employment
			-Taxes
			-Welfare reform
			-President=s Williamsburg speech
			-Welfare
			-President=s policies
			-Democrats
		-Foreign policy
			-Vietnam War
				-Democrats
		-1952 election
			-Adlai E. Stevenson, II
			-Eisenhower
			-Foreign policy
		-Domestic policy
			-Economy
			-Inflation
			-Government reform
				-Welfare
				-Education
				-Health
			-Republican principles
			-Leadership

	Gifts to Congressmen

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

	Vietnam
		-Anti-war groups
		-Withdrawal

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

	Support for President

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The President, et al. left at an unknown time before 6:41 pm; Ehrlichman, MacGregor, and Timmons remained

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Ehrlichman, MacGregor, and Timmons left at an unknown time before 6:41 pm

Conversation No. 55-3

Date:  April 27, 1971
Time:  8:04 am - 9:43 am
Location:  Cabinet Room

The President met with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, John N. Irwin, II, John B. Connally, Melvin R. Laird, John N. Mitchell, Winton M. (ARed@) Blount, Rogers C. B. Morton, Clifford M. Hardin, James T. Lynn, James D. Hodgson, Elliot L. Richardson, George W. Romney, John A. Volpe, George P. Shultz, George H. W. Bush, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, Dr. Edward E. David, Jr., Raymond K. Price, Jr., Ronald L. Ziegler, Alexander P. Butterfield, Robert J. Brown, Robert J. Dole, Arthur J. Sohmer, Donald E. Johnson, and Malcolm R. Lovell, Jr.

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

	White House Conference on Youth
		-Colorado
		-Setting
		-Power structure
		-Richardson=s remarks
		-Purpose
		-Discussion
		-Agenda
		-Follow-up
		-Interests
		-Environment
		-Specific concerns of participants
			-Black caucus
			-Recommendations
			-Indochina troop withdrawal
			-Appalachian Commission
				-Coal mining in Appalachia
			-Strip mining
			-Education
			-Guaranteed annual income
			-Amnesty for draft violators and deserters
			-Abolition of private enterprise system
		-American youth
			-Representation at conference
				-List of recommendations
				-Groups
				-Representation
					-Geographic
					-Demographic
					-Levels
					-Age
				-Activists
				-Selection process
				-Tendency toward activism
				-Psychological factor
				-Opinions presented
				-Colleges
					-Representation
					-Geographic
					-Population
					-Names
				-Adults
					-Specific interests
				-Voting
				-Composition
		-Foreign policy
			-Presence of student editors
		-Legalization of marijuana
			-Position
			-Breakdown
			-Blacks and Chicanos
			-White middle class
		-Texas A & M University
			-Student body
			-Balance of views
			-War withdrawal
			-Minimum income
		-Importance of seeing youth
		-White House staff
		-Recommendations

	President=s April 26, 1971 meeting with bipartisan United Nations committee
		-Henry Cabot Lodge
		-J. William Fulbright
		-Robert A. Taft, Jr.
		-Recommendations
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	United Nations

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		-Cabinet listening to views
		-Importance of reading
			-Barry M. Goldwater

	Youth conference
		-Views
		-Problems
		-Balance
		-Guidance
		-Recommendations
		-Irwin
			-Ecology
			-Deep sea
		-Issues
		-Resolutions
		-Recommendations
		-Possible response
		-Stephen Hess
			-Role at conference
		-Proceedings
		-Weather

	American youth
		-Failure of leadership
			-Parents
		-Development of leadership
		-Political constituency
			-Television
			-Forum
			-Breakdown of leadership
			-Power structure
			-Richardson
			-Youth versus adults
			-Meetings
				-Environment
				-Polarization of adults and youth
				-Alien body

	United Nations Commission
		-Representation
		-Plans
		-Importance of listening

	Vietnam
		-Administration policy
			-Youth support
		-President=s meeting with student representatives
		-Youth undecided
		-Polls
			-Youth
				-Political views

	Youth conference
		-Representation
			-High school
		-Richardson
		-Representation
			-College students
				-Over-representation
			-Women
			-Blacks
			-Geographical
			-Education levels
		-Resolutions
			-Stabilization of world population
			-Strip mining
			-Reclamation of soils
			-Solutions
		-Elections
			-Faculty
		-Resolutions
		-Communication with youth
		-Involvement
		-Agnew
		-Departmental advisory committees
			-James E. Cheek and Dr. G[eorge] Alexander Heard
			-Youth representation
		-Agencies
			-Involvement of youth

	Faculties
		-Colleges
		-Campaigns
		-Voting
		-Assistant deans

	Labor market
		-Cabinet
		-Briefing
		-Employment and unemployment
		-Lovell and Brown
		-Categories
		-Manpower Administration
		-Unemployment
			-Statistics
			-Level
			-Manpower organization
			-Expectations
			-Current levels
			-Geographic breakdown
				-Cities
				-Pocket pattern
			-Problem categories
			-Young people
			-Non-white
			-Veterans
			-Engineers and scientists
			-Pattern
			-Young people
				-1930's level
				-1960's level
				-Long-term trend
				-Teenagers
					-Non-white
						-Newark
						-Cleveland
						-Percentage
			-Non-white
				-All racial groups
				-Excludes Chicanos/Mexican-Americans
				-Variation
				-Blacks
					-Ratio
					-Progress
					-Disproportion
			-Veterans
				-Rate
				-Age comparison
				-Lovell
				-Non-attachment to labor market
				-World War II experience
				-Current situation
				-Duration
			-Technical workers
				-Engineers
					-Rate
					-Special attention
			-Pattern
				-Black
				-Veteran
				-Urban
				-Young
		-Manpower Administration programs
			-Unemployment compensation
				-Insurance
				-Benefits
			-Placement service activities
				-Youth
				-Non-white
				-Veterans
				-Applicants
			-Training and working-training programs
				-Youth
				-Non-white
				-Veterans
					-GI bill
				-Disadvantaged
				-Services
		-Employment Service activities
			-Placement
			-Activities
			-Summer programs
			-Federal employees
			-Youth
			-Non-whites
				-Manpower programs
			-Jobs programs
				-Numbers
				-Construction field
					-Timetables for minorities
					-Apprenticeship programs
					-Veterans
						-Special programs
						-Publicity efforts
						-Unemployment compensation program
						-Right-to-a-job program
						-Defense Department program
				-Scientists and engineers
					-National registry
					-Job counseling workshops
					-Southern California program
					-Job search program
					-On-the-job-training
					-Reconversion of skills program
				-Apprenticeship program
					-Funding
					-Minorities
					-Construction trades
					-Trainees
					-Minorities
					-Veterans
					-Outreach
		-Manpower programs
			-Funds
			-Administration=s support
			-Welfare reform program
		-Manpower Administration
			-Role
			-Economic policy
			-Problem areas
		-Long-term problems
			-Youth
			-Minorities
		-Short-range problems
			-Veterans
			-Engineers and scientists
			-Geographical pockets
				-West Coast
				-Cape Kennedy
				-Long Island
				-Boston area
				-Allocation of resources
			-Rural areas
				-Non-problem area
				-Appalachia
				-Rocky Mountain area
			-Geographical areas
				-California
				-Pacific Northwest
				-California
					-Metropolitan areas
					-Impact
					-Aerospace industry
						-Unemployment
					-Defense and government procurement
					-San Diego
					-San Jose
					-Orange County
				-Government procurement
					-Effect
					-Unemployment
				-Unknown man=s conversation with Dan Rath [sp?]
			-Dallas
				-Unemployment
			-Houston
			-California
				-Electronics industry
				-Aerospace industry
			-Houston
				-Labor market
			-Houston compared with Los Angeles
				-Houston
					-Growth
					-Port facility
					-Population
			-California
				-Los Angeles
					-Building trades
			-Chicago
			-Ohio
			-Indiana
			-Pennsylvania
		-Light construction industry
			-Employment
			-California
				-Minorities
				-Government contracts
		-Geographic areas
			-California
				-Supersonic Transport
				-Boeing Corporation
				-Lockheed
			-Contracts
			-Unemployment
			-General Services Administration contracts
		-Public attitude
			-Vietnam
				-My Lai
			-Advisory groups
			-Veterans

[A transcript of the following portion of the conversation was prepared under court order from December 1978 through March 1979, for Special Access [SA] 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M. Powell, et al. No. 71-2271.  The National Archives and Records Administration produced the transcript.  The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President, et al. left at 9:43 am
Conversation No. 55-4

Date:  May 4, 1971
Time:  8:04 am - 10:04 am
Location:  Cabinet Room

The President met with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, John B. Connally, Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Margaret Chase Smith, Gordon L. Allott, Norris Cotton, Milton R. Young, John G. Tower, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends, John B. Anderson, John J. Rhodes, Richard H. Poff, Robert C. (ABob@) Wilson, Barber B. Conable, Jr., Robert T. Stafford, H. Allen Smith, Frank T. Bow, William B. Widnall, George P. Shultz, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, Kenneth R. BeLieu, Herbert G. Klein, Ronald L. Ziegler, Patrick J. Buchanan, and Bryce N. Harlow

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

[A transcript of the following portion of the conversation was prepared under Court order from December 1978 through March 1979, for Special Access [SA] 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al., v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271.  The National Archives and Records Administration produced this transcript.  The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

	Senate wives lunch
		-Patricia R. (APat@) Nixon
		-Mrs. Thomas G. Abernethy
		-Thomas G. Abernethy
		-Democrats

	Legislative program
		-Current situation
		-Connally
		-Controversies
		-Lockheed
		-Supersonic Transport [SST]

	Economy
		-Unemployment
			-Defense-related jobs
				-Melvin R. Laird
				-Pacific Northwest
				-California
				-SST
				-Areas
				-Contractors
				-Lockheed aircraft problems
					-Settlement
					-Loss
					-Defense Department
					-Rolls-Royce bankruptcy
					-Airbus companies
					-Negotiations
					-Great Britain
						-Underwrite RB-211
					-Rolls-Royce bankruptcy
					-Contracts renegotiations
						-Great Britain
						-Losses
						-Price rise
						-Delay
						-Eastern Airlines
						-Trans World Airlines [TWA]
						-Delta Airlines
						-Air Canada
						-Smaller orders
						-Banks
						-Provisions
					-Need of government guarantee
					-Additional financing required
						-Great Britain
						-Airlines
					-Possible bankruptcy
					-Present program
					-Great Britain
					-Banks
					-Possible government guarantee
					-Banks
					-Financing
					-Airlines
					-Cash requirements
					-Possible receivership
					-Factors involved
			-McDonnell-Douglas
				-DC-10
				-Attitude
			-Lockheed
				-Potential business for L-1011 and DC-10
				-Competition from Europe
				-L-1011 engine
				-Production expectations
				-Government intervention
				-McDonnell-Douglas
					-Department of Defense
				-Consequences of bankruptcy
					-Number of subcontractors
						-Small business
					-Annual payroll
					-Employment
					-Subcontractors
					-Impact
					-Ripple effect on economy
					-Plants throughout nation
					-Consequences of possible receivership
				-McDonnell-Douglas
					-DC-10
					-Employment
					-Time lag
				-Other airlines
					-Investment in L-1011 program
					-TWA
				-Subcontractors
				-Stockholders
				-Bankruptcy
				-Necessity for loan guarantee
		-Administration action
		-Congress
			-Procedure for message
			-Banking and Currency Committee
				-Connally=s recommendation
				-Commerce Committee
				-Procedures
				-William B. Widnall
				-Wright Patman
			-Jurisdiction
			-Treasury Department
			-Banking and Currency Committee
				-Patman
			-Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee
				-John J. Sparkman
				-David H. Gambrell
				-Alan Cranston
				-Thomas J. McIntyre
			-Prospects
			-Banking and Currency Committee
				-Patman
				-Jurisdiction
			-Democratic leadership
				-Carl B. Albert
			-Possible opposition to Lockheed aid
				-ADoves@
				-Opposition to government aid to corporations
					-Penn Central situation
				-McDonnell-Douglas
				-General Electric [GE] impact
				-SST
				-Cranston
				-John V. Tunney
				-Gambrell
					-SST
				-Cross currents
				-SST
				-Hubert H. Humphrey
				-Warren G. (AMaggie@) Magnuson
				-Henry M. (AScoop@) Jackson
				-Controversy
			-Lockheed
				-Settlement of C5A
				-Appropriations
				-Possible action
				-Timing
				-Administration=s position
			-Impending bankruptcy
		-Defense program
		-Lockheed
			-Possible receivership
				-Tax losses
			-Banks
			-Guaranteed loans
			-Projections of repayment
			-Orders
			-Production
		-House Appropriations Committee
			-Repayment bill on SST and GE
				-Lockheed
				-GE
				-Boeing
				-Airlines
				-Possible votes
			-Public attitude
			-Effect on Lockheed loan
			-Impact
			-Effect on recovery program
			-Implications
			-Connally
			-Loan program
			-Legislation
		-West Coast
		-Employment maintenance approach
			-Democrats
			-Labor reaction
		-Lockheed problem
			-Effect of bankruptcy
			-Economy
			-Ripple effect of insolvency
		-Defense contracts
			-Experimental
			-Lockheed
			-Needed for defense
		-Environmental impact
		-Steel production
			-United States= competitive position
			-Japan
		-United States= competitive position
			-Airplanes
			-Lockheed
			-McDonnell-Douglas
			-Second position
		-Defense contracts
			-Cranston
			-Tunney
			-California
			-ASuper-doves@
			-Gambrell
			-Lockheed
			-Labor position
			-SST
				-Edmund S. Muskie
				-Humphrey
			-Lockheed
			-Labor position
			-Democrats
			-Special interests
			-Economic impact of possible Lockheed bankruptcy
			-SST
			-AKnow-nothings@
			-Isolationism
			-Lockheed
			-Effect of Rolls-Royce bankruptcy
			-United States= companies abroad

	Legislation
		-House
			-Suggested order
			-Welfare reform
				-John W. Byrnes
				-Conable
				-Ways and Means Committee
					-Executive sessions
					-Projected action
					-Level of payments
					-Wilbur D. Mills
					-Byrnes
			-Revenue sharing
				-Proposals
				-Timing
				-Conference
				-Byrnes
				-Voting
				-Scheduling
			-Welfare reform
			-Revenue sharing
				-Conable
				-Mills
				-Rules
				-Ford
				-Connection with welfare reform
				-Shultz
				-Mills
				-Issues
				-President=s position
				-Federal, state responsibilities
				-Payments
			-President=s January 2, 1971 meeting with Byrnes and Mills
				-Russell B. Long and Wallace F. Bennett
				-Welfare reform
				-Work requirements
		-Welfare reform
			-Study by unknown independent organization
			-President=s speech at Governors= conference
			-Connally
			-Work requirements
			-Public reaction
			-Work requirement issue
				-Ronald W. Reagan
				-Nelson A. Rockefeller
			-Bill
			-Purposes
			-Close-rule
			-Social Security reform
			-Byrnes
			-Bill
			-One-year residency requirements
				-States
				-Provisions
				-Conable
				-Pragmatic
				-Mobility of welfare recipients
				-States
					-New York
						-Housing
					-Mississippi
					-Arizona
				-Courts
			-Department of Health, Education and Welfare
			-Federal involvement
		-General revenue sharing bills
			-Republican action
			-Democratic action
			-Committee action
			-Bipartisan moves
			-Ford=s speech at Williamsburg governors= meeting
				-Republican governors
				-Mayors
				-Possible Republican-sponsored bill
				-Democratic-sponsored bill
					-Henry S. Reuss
				-Ways and Means Committee inaction
				-Possible efforts to bring bill to floor
		-Special revenue sharing bills
			-Current situation
			-Ford and Widnall
			-Urban community development
			-Manpower revenue sharing
			-Education and Labor Committee
				-Report on manpower training
				-Minority efforts
			-Rules Committee
			-Manpower revenue sharing
			-Educational revenue sharing
			-Rural community development special revenue sharing
				-Government Operations Committee
				-Jurisdictional problems
				-Agriculture Committee
				-David J. Seltzer
			-Law enforcement revenue sharing
				-Judiciary committee
				-Poff
			-Transportation
				-Ways and Means Committee
					-Trust fund
				-Public Works Committee
				-Jurisdictional problem
		-Senate
			-Law enforcement assistance
				-Judiciary Committee
					-Roman L. Hruska
			-Urban community development
				-Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee
					-Tower
			-Rural development
				-Water and sewer provisions
				-Hearings
				-Proposals
			-Education
				-Jacob K. Javits
				-Tunney
				-Hearings
				-Claiborne Pell
				-House bill
			-Transportation
				-Commerce Committee
				-National Railroad Passenger Corporation/American Track [AMTRAK]
					-Winston L. (AWin@) Prouty
					-Forum
			-Manpower
				-Labor Subcommittee
					-Hearings
					-Democratic proposals
			-Finance Committee
				-Welfare
				-Health legislation
					-Hearings
					-Bills
					-Edward M. (ATed@) Kennedy
			-General revenue sharing
				-Possible House action
			-Government reorganization plan 
				-Government Operations Committee
					-Hearings
					-Action
					-John L. McClellan
			-Environmental bills
				-Public Works Committee
					-Water Quality Act of 1965
					-Pollution dumping
				-Environmental financing
					-Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee
					-Finance Committee
				-Noise pollution legislation
					-Commerce Committee
						-Hearings
				-Land use policy
					-Interior and Insular Affairs Committee
				-Protection of mining areas
					-Interior and Insular Affairs Committee
						-Hearings
				-Water conservation
					-Interior and Insular Affairs Committee
				-Pesticide regulations
					-Agriculture Subcommittee
						-Report
				-Toxic substances
					-Commerce Committee
			-Draft bill
				-Smith
				-Kennedy
				-John C. Stennis
				-Michael Gravel
				-Mark O. Hatfield
				-Status
				-Gravel
				-Two-year extension
				-Possible vote

	Appropriations
		-Senate
			-Young and Bow
			-House activities
			-Interior subcommittee
				-Hearings complete
			-Agriculture subcommittee
				-Hearings complete
			-Public works subcommittee
				-Hearings in progress
			-Defense
				-Prospective hearings
			-Transportation
			-Labor
			-Department of Health, Education and Welfare
			-Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
			-Others
			-Allott
			-Holdup
			-Foreign aid
			-Education bill
				-Clifford P. Case
				-Philip A. Hart
			-Defense
				-Prospective cut
				-Allen J. Ellender
			-Meetings of committee chairmen
				-Michael J. (AMike@) Mansfield
				-Prospects
			-Harold E. Hughes
				-Selective Service
		-House
			-Supplemental budget
				-Total estimate
				-Funding levels
				-Foreign aid reduction
				-Patman
					-Banking and Currency Committee
					-International Development Bank
					-Third National Bank
				-Summer youth program
					-Amount
					-Bill
					-Timing
				-Fiscal Year 1971 budget
					-Amendments
					-Debt limitation
				-Fiscal Year 1972 budget
					-Limitation on Congress
				-Other bills
			-Labor bill
			-Agriculture, Treasury, Post Office Departments
			-Department of Interior
			-Department of State
			-Department of Justice
			-Department of Commerce
			-Department of Public Works
			-Department of Transportation
			-Department of Defense
				-F. Edward Hébert
			-Foreign aid
				-Reorganization
				-Foreign Affairs Committee
					-Dr. Thomas E. (ADoc@) Morgan
					-William S. Mailliard
					-Hearings
					-Timing
					-Extension of existing law
					-Prospective bill
			-Health program
				-Interstate and Foreign Commerce Committee
				-Health Manpower Assistance Act
				-Health Maintenance Organization Assistance Act
					-William L. Springer
				-National Health Insurance Partnership Act
					-Ways and Means Committee
					-Calendar

	Legislation
		-House
			-Reorganization of executive department
				-Government Operations Committee
					-Chet Holifield
					-Proposed hearings
				-Reorganization Plan No. 1
					-Volunteer agencies
					-Impact of outside organizations
					-Joseph H. Blatchford
					-Peace Corps
						-Foreign Affairs Committee
							-Jurisdiction
							-Ford
							-Objections
						-Timing
				-Environmental program
					-Bills
					-Probable action
					-Democrats
						-Wayne N. Aspinall

	Appropriations
		-House
			-Defense
			-Military
			-Foreign aid

	Legislation
		-House
			-Ways and Means Committee
				-Welfare
				-Revenue sharing
				-Health
				-Environmental programs
				-Revenue sharing
					-Special
						-Bills
						-Experts
				-General revenue sharing
					-Opposition
					-Public visibility
					-Reaction of local governments
						-Governors
					-Democratic leadership
					-Issue for Republicans
					-President=s meeting with mayors
						-Smith
						-James H. J. Tate of Philadelphia
					-Governors
						-Warren E. Hearnes
					-Mayors
						-Carl B. Stokes
						-Patrick J. Lucey
					-Effect of issue on Democratic Party
					-Republicans
					-Democrats
						-Labor
						-Tate
				-Special and general revenue sharing
					-Confusion
					-Categorical grants
					-Mayors
					-Governors
						-Popularity
					-Democrats
					-Distinctions
					-General revenue sharing
					-Timing
					-Decision
					-Congressmen
					-Mayors
					-Ford=s meeting with Peter F. Flaherty
					-Need of legislation
					-Bill
					-Bipartisan moves
					-Efforts by governors and mayors
					-Mayors
						-Richard J. Daley
					-Unknown governor
					-Mayor
						-Tate and Flaherty
						-Morgan
						-Mills
						-Tate and unknown mayor
				-Community development revenue sharing
					-HUD
					-Water and sewer program
					-Local governments
						-Resources
					-Communities
						-Population
						-Water and sewer grant
						-HUD
						-Standard metropolitan cities
						-Standard Metropolitan Statistical Area [SMSA]
						-Special needs
						-Water and sewer grant money
						-Federal objectives
					-Special revenue proposals
						-Exclusion of water sewage
						-Proposal
						-Small towns
						-Importance to Republicans
					-Counter arguments
					-Applications
					-Present proposals
					-Republican interests
					-Cities
				-Importance to Republicans
					-Unknown town in 1952 campaign

	Republican leadership
		-Support for President
		-Smith=s statement on Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr.

	Anti-War demonstrations
		-Need for firmness
		-President=s policies
		-President=s statement at Los Angeles and San Clemente, May 1, 1971
		-Democrats= positions

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		-Present situation
		-Democrats
		-Demonstrations
		-Decisionmaking process
		-Vietnam
			-Ford

	Administration=s policies
		-Demonstrations
		-Vietnam
		-Support for President
		-Democrats
		-Republican leadership

	Democratic leadership
		-President=s meeting in California with unnamed prominent Democrat
			-House and Senate leadership
			-Mansfield
			-Senate
				-Scott
			-House
				-Tradition of leadership
				-Problems
				-George H. Mahon and Mills
					-Vote
				-Power structure
				-Republican minority
		-Need for Republican unity in Congress
			-Opportunity
		-Absence of leadership
		-President=s meeting in California with unnamed Democrat
			-Republican control of House, 1946-1948
				-Harry S Truman=s administration
					-Thomas E. Dewey
				-Republican national chairman Robert J. Dole
			-Republican leadership in House and Senate
				-Robert A. Taft, Jr.
				-Arends
				-Joseph W. Martin, Jr.
				-1950 elections
			-Mansfield and Carl B. Albert
			-Republican leadership contrasted

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President, et al. left at 10:04 am

Conversation No. 55-5

Date:  May 4, 1971
Time:  10:30 am - 11:36 am
Location:  Cabinet Room

The President met with Neil H. McElroy, William G. Colman, Hilda A. Davis, Dorothy M. L. Ford, Eugene Gonzales, David H. Kurtzman, Reverend William E. McManus, Wendell H. Pierce, William G. Saltonstall, William B. Thompson, Clarence Walton, Ivan E. Zylstra, Norman Karsh, Clint Pace, Terrel H. Bell, John R. Ottina, Caspar W. (ACap@) Weinberger, Joseph B. White, Phillips Grace, Paul H. O=Neill, John D. Ehrlichman, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Edward L. Morgan, and Dr. Sidney P. Marland, Jr.

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

	Introductions

	Photo session
		-Timing

	Presentation

	Regrets
		-John Fisher, Teachers= College, Columbia
		-John B. Davis, Jr., Superintendent of Schools, Minneapolis
		-Warren P. Knowles
			-Buford Ellington

	White House staff
		-Appreciation for cooperation
		-Unknown man and Morgan
		-Ehrlichman
		-Marland

	President=s Executive Order March 3, 1970
		-Establishing Commission on School Finance and the Panel on Non-public Education
		-Final report requirements
		-Commission
		-Research projects undertaken
		-Educational concerns
		-Major questions
		-Financing elementary and secondary education
			-Specifics on quality of education and equality of educational opportunity
			-Cost
			-Provision of funds

	Panel on Non-public Education
		-Report, February 12, 1971
		-Walton
		-Progress report, March 22, 1971
		-Recommendations and conclusions
		-Completion of first project
		-Projections on secondary education through 1980
		-Types of school
		-Suburban, rural, et cetera
		-Disposal of funds for education
		-Disparity in educational support
			-Variations between States
			-Within cities
			-Unknown city=s amounts
		-Alternative revenue
		-Concerns
		-Meaning of terms
		-Definition
		-Social and constitutional aspects of non-public schools
		-School closings
		-Financing schools
		-Role of government
		-Inner-city schools
		-Use of technology
		-Quality and quantity demands on schools
		-Accomplishments of schools
			-Expectations
		-Wide responsibility
		-Commission
			-Reaction
		-Projections
		-Non-public schools
		-Findings
		-Exhilaration of panel members
		-President=s establishment of panel
		-Relationship with non-public sector
		-President=s commitment to education
		-Findings
		-Talks with leaders of non-public schools
			-National Association of Independent Schools
			-Hebrew day school groups
			-Protestant groups
			-Parochial schools
		-Sense of crisis
		-Concerns
		-Parochial school sector
			-Lack of revenues
			-Training of personnel
			-Teachers= concerns
			-Parents= concerns
		-Possible future developments
			-May 20, 1971 meeting of leaders of non-public schools in Washington
			-Private investment in non-public education
			-May 24, 1971 meeting in Michigan
				-William G. Milliken
		-Importance of non-public sector
			-Need of confidence
			-Elliot L. Richardson

	Smoking
		-Dwight D. Eisenhower
		-Cabinet
		-Charles E. Wilson
		-Chair in Cabinet Room

	School bonds and financing
		-Public reaction
		-Problem
		-Financial crisis
		-Parochial schools
		-Public schools
		-Commission=s purpose
			-Commitment to education
		-Federal government
		-Revenue sharing
		-Educational revenue sharing
		-State and local government
			-Responsibilities
		-Private level
			-Contributions
			-Paid tuitions
		-Citizens= confidence in educational system
		-Crisis
		-Financing in political campaigns
		-Current situation

	Education
		-Quality of education
		-Priority of education
			-Re-establishment in public mind
		-Educational reform
		-Professional educators
		-Committee=s role
		-Necessity of making changes
		-Colman
		-Quality of education
		-Fisher
		-Evaluation of educational output
		-Quality education
			-Meaning
			-Ranges ratio
		-Reform of education
		-Problem of public confidence
			-Inner-city schools
			-Quality of teachers
			-White House conference in 1950s
				-Staffing
			-Unprepared teachers
				-Tenure
			-Inner-city schools
			-Rural schools
			-City schools
				-Analogy
			-Rural areas
			-City schools
				-Theodore S. (ATed@) Williams
				-Henry L. (AHank@) Aaron
					-Career
				-Mickey C. Mantle
				-Willie H. Mays, Jr.
			-Rural areas
				-Problems
				-Poverty
				-Poor housing
				-Poor education
			-Greenville, Mississippi
				-Thompson
			-Iowa
				-Teachers= salaries compared with New York City
				-Mississippi
			-Federal aid to education
				-Standards
			-Inner-city schools
				-Terence Cardinal Cooke
				-Los Angeles
		-Innovation in education
			-Reform
			-Los Angeles meeting of Commission
				-Ford and Gonzalez
				-Experimental
				-Los Angeles area
			-Bicultural program
				-Whittier College
				-Elementary and junior high schools
			-Vocational area
				-Los Angeles County school program
					-Mexican-American students
					-Job skills
					-Training for job market
			-Bilingual act
				-California
					-Indian population
				-Japanese, Chinese in San Francisco
				-Santa Monica area
					-Portuguese
				-Spanish-speaking
				-Teachers
				-Pooling of resources
				-Teacher training
				-Language and culture training
				-Working with parents
				-Improvisation
				-Spanish-speaking community
					-Los Angeles County region
					-Mexican-Americans
					-Blacks
					-Language problem
					-Chicanos
			-Vocational education
				-Hospital programs in Black areas
				-Low income areas
				-Hospitals
			-Technology of education
				-Television
				-Importance
				-Recommendations
				-Testing
				-Improving quality education
			-Funding
				-Responsibility at state level
				-Property tax
				-Full level
				-Dispersing of funds
				-State commission studies
					-Statement by Milliken
				-New methods
				-Impact on education
				-Property tax
				-Income tax
				-Sales tax
				-Property tax
					-Increase
					-Associated with education
					-Financing of education
				-Tax system
				-Revenue sharing
				-Federal revenues
				-General revenue sharing
				-Reform
				-Pierce
				-State education administration
				-Commission=s report
				-Inner city
				-Private schools
				-Problem
				-Commission=s report
					-Controversial items
				-Property tax
				-Education task force problems
					-Establishment views
					-Structured
				-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare and Education Office
				-Private schools
					-Controversial aspects
					-Supreme Court
					-Amounts
					-Religious training
					-Catholic Church
					-Impact
					-Philadelphia
					-Chicago
					-Los Angeles
					-New York
					-Crisis
					-Need of strong, viable system
					-Textbooks
					-Kurtzman
				-Non-public schools
				-Emergency Assistance Act
					-Public schools
					-Non-public schools
						-Preservation of integrated cities
						-Ethnic groups in Chicago
							-Polish
							-Lithuanian
							-Ukrainian
						-Importance
				-Supreme Court decision
				-School systems
				-Finances
				-Moral leadership
				-Present administration
				-Congress
				-Leadership
				-Private education
				-Black population in Mississippi
				-Southern states
				-Public and private education
					-Distinction
					-Title acts
					-Segregated academies
					-Federal funds
				-Statistics on black students in North and South
				-Integration
				-South
					-Tradition
					-Private academies
					-Institution of slavery
						-Vouchers
					-Private academies
				-Public schools
				-Supreme Court decision
					-Alabama
				-Rural areas
				-Cities
					-Atlanta
					-Charlotte
					-Segregation patterns
				-Integration
				-Discrimination
				-Quality teachers
					-Problem in North and South
			-Tolerance
			-Correction of deficiencies
			-Money
			-Use of emergency assistance funds for transportation
			-State statutes
			-Supreme Court decision
			-Communities

	Commission=s work
		-President=s interest

The White House photographer was present at an unknown time after 10:30 am

		-Prospective report
		-School funds

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

	Presentation of gifts

	President=s expression of thanks

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President, et al. left at 11:36 am